From: "Linda Kulpak" Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:57:36 -0400 My information: My fraternal grandmother was Nellie Ace who married Roy Wallace Webb. The few items I am sure of are 1. - Nellie's mother was Susan Lake who married William T. Ace. 2. - Susan (Sue) was from Junction - Hunterdon County, NJ. born in 1847 - possibly Raritan 3. - William T. Ace was from Monroe County PA. and worked for the railroad 4. - Nellie's sisters were Ida Lake Ace Harris - who was married to David Harris and Charlotta (Lottie) who is buried here in Pennsylvania ( Shady Lane Cemetery, Chinchilla) a brother George Ace 5. - There is a Maggie Von Covenskjold on the Monroe county 1880 census listed as divorced "Sister-in-law" of William and Susan Ace. This may be Susan Lake's sister. 6. - Susan Lake Ace is buried in Hyde Park Cemetery, Scranton, Lackawanna County, PA (died 27 Jul 1905) Additionally I found these entries : "Lake, Sue and William T. Ace, June 7, 1874" at http://mlake.net/lake/NewJersey/lake_marriages.txt 1/13/1874, XXXVI, 21, 1892 "On the 7th inst., at Junction, by Rev. John B. Kugler, William S. Ace to Sue, daughter of John C. Lake, Esq." at http://mlake.net/lake/NewJersey/HunterdonCoDemocrat.txt My question: I've been reading about the many many John Lakes - especially the JOHN C Lakes. I've seen reference to John Case Lake Jr. from Hunterdon County with approximately the same date range appropriate for my Susan Lake, but his family listing doesn't agree with my meager information. Where does my Susan Lake fit into the John Lake puzzle? Does anyone have any additional clues for me?? Linda Webb (Great grand-daughter of Susan Lake) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:06:34 -0700 From: "T.S.& A.F. Truesdell" Census records indicate that your Susan is the daughter of John C. Lake and Harriet Skinner.  From my notes: JOHN C. LAKE "Pioneer Families of NW NJ", Wm Armstrong, pg 56. Town committe man for several years. Justice in Hunterdon Co. for 40 years. BIRTH: 1820 per "The Lake Family in America" by Devereaux Lake, pg 82. MARR: 17 Jun 1841 Harriet Skinner per "Hunterdon Co. Marriages 1795-1875", pub 1986, . Children named in "Lake Family" as Jacob Skinner; Lydia; Amanda; Ida. Census records name another daughter as Margaret and Musconetcong Cemetery records also cite a son, Jackson and a daughter, Minna, both who apparently died as children. DEATH: 8 Aug 1903 per "The Lake Family". CENSUS: "1850 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon., NJ census, pg 213. John C Lake, 30 farmer, NJ Harriet, 29, NJ Lydia, 8, NJ Algert , f, 5, NJ (note: prob misspelling in enumeration for Margaret found in 1860 census.) Susan, 2, NJ Jacob, 2mth, NJ Mary Bowlby, 14, NJ CENSUS: 1860 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon, NJ pg 24 John C. Lake, 39, farmer, $11,000RE, $1200PE, NJ Harriet, 38, NJ Lydia, 17, NJ Margaret, 15, NJ Susan, 13, NJ Jacob, 9, NJ Amanda, 7, NJ William, 4, NJ CENSUS: 1870 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co., NJ pg 12. John Lake, 49, carpenter, $12000RE, $3000PE, NJ Harriet, 49, NJ Jacob, 20, carpenter, NJ Manda, 17, NJ William, 14, NJ Ida, 9, NJ From: kulpak2@msn.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:12:32 -0400 My paternal GGM Susan Lake (from NJ) married my GGF William T. Ace from Monroe County in 1874 in NJ and according to the 1880 census lived in Scranton PA. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp). Both Susan (1905) and William (1927) are buried in Washburn St Cemetery. They were members of the Hyde Park Presbyterian Church (fomerly the Washburn Street Presbyterian Church) Scranton. I was born in Scranton, raised in Harrisburg, but all of the families that I am familiar with are from the Scranton area (some of my Italian, from Palermo and Naples, ancesters lived in Carbondale and Pittston). Several influences restricted my gleaning ancestral knowledge of my paternal side - My mother's parents and extended family were immigrants from Italy (it was a veeeery matriarchal family - a lot of aunts, cousins, and very short and tight apron strings). My father Roy Bert Webb (Susan Lake Ace's grandson) died young (early 30's of complications of rheumatic heart disease). During Daddy's two major open heart surgeries in the late 50's (his doctor was the famous Dr. Charles Bailey of Philadelphia and my dad was featured in a Time magazine profile of Dr. Bailey) my mom's family gathered even tighter. The situation was further complicated by my brother Robert Roy who was mentally retarded (he is still alive BTW and may be used for Webb family DNA testing) . Although my dad's family lived nearby and were very close, my exposure to them, in hindsight, wasn' t as it should have been. Roy Wallace Webb and Nellie (Lake) Ace Webb were insatiable gardeners. Roy was from a farming family in Beaver Meadow New York. He was an accomplished dahlia grower. He won many awards for his "dinner plate" dahlias and he and Nellie travelled and lectured virtually all over the country. After his retirement from Remington Rand Typewriter (he always used GREEN ribbon), he lived for his beloved dahlias. He left a measly few square yards of backyard property for Nellie's pom-pom zinnias and clematis vines. She also won awards for her arrangements. They were both active members of the Laurel Garden Club of Scranton. The home was filled with plants year-round - cut and potted. The cellar was filled with manure and salt hay for Grandpa's roots. (I still love that smell) They were observant Presbyterians. The Webb family were serious and unique about their faith. Roy's eldest son John Sidney Webb became a Quaker - John's daughter Cathy became a Mormon after moving to Salt Lake City to teach. Back to the Ace/Lake - Nellie had family in Milwaukee PA, a small town outside of Scranton. They, too were plant people. I don't recall if they were Lakes or Aces. Ida Lake Ace Harris (another of Susan's Lake's daughters) lived in the other half of the Webb double. Lottie Ace (Charlotta) is buried in Chinchilla (near Scranton). I am told that she married a doctor. There are Ace families in Tunkhannock, Auburn, Susquenanna - all towns northwest of Scranton. Some more in Newton/Ransom towns. Blackwell, LaCoe, Harris, Transue, Strunk, DePue, Godown, LaBar, are some of the surnames that appear in my searches. A lot of Moses, George, Ida, and Williams. Somewhere in my searches I found a link between the Lakes and the Aces several generations back. If I find it again, I will surely notify you. Something about the Pocono area or the railroad?? Edwin, James Irwin Lake?? Check out William Sherman Ace - born 1867 in Auburn, died 1955 in Meshoppen. These are two towns near Tunkhannock (about 30 minutes from were I live in Dalton) Grandma Nellie also had a family north of us (maybe the Auburn/Tunkhannock area) that had a commercial greenhouse. As a child I visited with her and watched and helped pot some seedlings. There was a lake nearby and the home and greenhouse were on a hillside. I can't recall more than those fleeting images. I'm sending a few little attachments; My dad in his back yard with one of Roy Wallace Webb's favorites The cover of TIME mag from 1957 (my dad is featured as one of Bailey's anonymous patients) Sherman Ace of Auburn Susan Lake's baby girl Nellie on her 90th birthday (1980) Linda Webb From: "Linda Kulpak" Subject: Corrections to Susan Lake Query of Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:57:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:24:18 -0400 After re-reading my Susan Lake query of Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:57:36 -0400, I noticed two errors - one -GLARING, and another not so very bad. 1. - I stated that the 1880 census entry for the family of William T. Ace and Susan Lake was Monroe County - that's incorrect. It is for Scranton Pennsylvania. 2. - I stated that both William and Susan are buried in Hyde Park Cemetery in Scranton - that should be - Washburn Street Cemetery. I confused the name with the church that William and Susan were members of - Washburn Street Presbyterian Church in Scranton (it burned down several times) was renamed Hyde Park Presbyterian Church (It stands in its fourth structure on the corner of Hyde Park Avenue and Washburn Street, Scranton. Many of the church's members are buried in the Washburn Street Cemetery in the Hyde Park Section of Scranton. (Got all of that straight???)